Type 1 vs Type 2 Diabetes (feat. Ben Tzeel)

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[00:00:22] Nutrients are gonna get to where they need to go, and the oxygen won't transport as well, and you start to feel disgusting.

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[00:00:43] Are you ready? I'm having salad with a side of fries. Hey friend, welcome back to Salad with a side of fries. I'm Jen Trebeck, your host and health coach here with you every week for wellness without the weirdness. And I wanna get right into it today because November [00:01:00] is diabetes awareness month. And while so much of what we talk about on salad with a side of fries supports type two diabetes, it also supports type one because balanced blood sugar is balanced blood sugar.

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[00:01:34] Your Diabetes Insider, a team of registered dieticians and diabetes experts who specialize in helping people living with type one and type two diabetes, achieve amazing blood sugars while eating great food and becoming the best versions of themselves when not helping the diabetes community. He's spending time with his wife, Amelia, his diabetes alert dog, Roscoe p traveling, going to sporting events, and working out.

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[00:02:01] Ben Tzeel: What's going on? This is amazing also. I love that intro and I'm so grateful for that.

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[00:02:08] Ben Tzeel: I'm so hype. This has been a long time in the making too.

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[00:02:13] Ben Tzeel: Yes.

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[00:02:17] Ben Tzeel: Yes. Literally. Which is absolutely insane as what are the odds of that? And my whole family's from Detroit area, which is insane.

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[00:02:23] Ben Tzeel: So,

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[00:02:28] Ben Tzeel: Definitely not. I would say my dad was there way, way, way, way long ago, but it's just, to me, just how small of a world it is is just insanity.

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[00:04:24] Ben Tzeel: Yes.

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[00:04:35] Ben Tzeel: It was rough. 'cause when you mentioned Michigan, my whole family, we had taken a vote as a family. If we were gonna move and go to Wisconsin or if we were gonna stay, I voted to stay.

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[00:04:51] Jenn Trepeck: so it was obviously Wisconsin's fault.

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[00:04:56] Jenn Trepeck: State. Still all the love to all of our listeners in Wisconsin.

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[00:05:02] But regardless, I mean, I didn't know anything. I was seven. I was trying to figure out life and making new friends in. Fortunately, my dad does work in the medical field, so he started to see the signs of type one where I was losing weight, which as a 7-year-old, you don't have to lose a lot of weight for it to be substantial.

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[00:05:31] 10 minutes in, my dad gets to call, Ben has diabetes. So suddenly the entire day it takes on this absolutely somber environment of cool what's next. And I do go to the the Children's Hospital where they start to tell me, you're not gonna be able to eat these foods. You won't have the birthday treat. You can't play sports, you're gonna have to watch everyone.

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[00:06:01] Jenn Trepeck: For sure, for sure. It reminds me of, we did an episode about, I mean, healthcare.

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[00:06:30] And then it doesn't, and it's kind of like, you know, just setting that expectation, this self-fulfilling prophecy of you can't be a quote unquote normal kid.

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[00:06:39] Jenn Trepeck: you know, go live your life. Peace out.

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[00:06:53] And I'm just sitting there chilling and wondering, will I ever get to participate? And over time, like, I'm not gonna say I became that defiant kid, but. [00:07:00] Did start to get to me and I said, I'm gonna figure out how to play sports. I like them too much. I'm not gonna sit on the sidelines. And I started to figure it out, got into high school and went to the dietician and said, Hey, I want a game muscle.

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[00:07:19] Jenn Trepeck: What?

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[00:07:27] They said, oh, this is for sports. This is good. I'm like, this is for someone double my size, playing a completely different sport than I am. And that just stuck with me. And that led partially of why I became a dietician because if that's the info I'm getting, and that's supposed to be the best of the best info, what is everybody else getting?

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[00:07:53] Ben Tzeel: So effectively I realized I love working out. I love sports, I love training, and I figured out food is really [00:08:00] just the X factor of the intersection of blood sugars as well as sports, right?

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[00:08:25] So I switched, became a dietician, and then figure, Hey, I'm already a strength coach, I'm a dietician. Why not become the person that can fill that void that I didn't have growing up? Because I know it wasn't just me. There's. Thousands of people with diabetes who are athletes who don't have answers, and thousands of people just wanna live a normal life, hundreds of thousands, if not millions.

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[00:08:58] Jenn Trepeck: Yeah. And I have to [00:09:00] imagine too, especially in such formative years, but even for your parents, right, for everyone, stigma is real. I think, you know, type one versus type two we'll talk about in a second, and there's certainly some confusion there and there's stigma with both. Do you watch? Love is Blind.

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[00:09:20] Jenn Trepeck: many diabetes. No, this, no. One of the guys has a kid with type one.

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[00:09:25] Jenn Trepeck: and, but even still, I hesitate to even say what's coming to my mind, but they act like it's this dramatic death sentence and it's like, hold up. That is not the reality of this.

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[00:10:00] Ben Tzeel: It was, I think, really not to say rougher.

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[00:10:21] You get diagnosed three months in, you've got a pump. But it was a very different time and I think what built on top of that was. People to your point, didn't understand. So I would get the constant, oh, well my grandpa has diabetes and their leg got cut off, or my grandma went blind. And I'm like, cool. I'm nine years old.

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[00:10:58] I was, you know, doing the tryout. Everything [00:11:00] was great. I, the coach's kid was like one of my best friends at the time, and he saw the, you know, the roster and he is like, you're gonna be on the team this year. It's gonna be so great. I'm so excited. And so I was really excited. And so to celebrate, we all went to Dairy Queen, like me, the coach's kid, and a few others.

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[00:11:19] Jenn Trepeck: Yikes.

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[00:11:32] I just, my blood sugar's too high. Well, that was probably one of the worst decisions I could have made because the next day I get the phone call mysteriously, Hey, sorry bud, you're not on this team. So they completely just took it. Even though the kid had seen the clipboard said, you're on it. We're good.

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[00:12:05] He's a liability. There could be a problem here. We can't deal with this. That was what really hit me.

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[00:12:14] Ben Tzeel: Uh, I think then it made me feel like I had to work doubly as hard as everybody else just to get the same recognition. 'cause otherwise, if I, if it wasn't like, oh, my talent blows everyone else outta the water.

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[00:12:26] Jenn Trepeck: Yeah, for sure. Well, I think that part of why we wanna have this conversation, especially during Diabetes Awareness month.

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[00:12:34] Jenn Trepeck: Perfect timing. So let's talk about it. Right. Type one versus type two. Go for it.

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[00:12:43] There's very rare situations where it's not. But effectively there's some sort of autoimmune situation that starts triggered by something. Typically, people expect to be a virus of some sort, and it starts off as cascade that effectively destroys the beta cells of the pancreas that make the insulin. So your body doesn't make [00:13:00] insulin anymore.

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[00:13:13] So it's trying. It's trying. It's working in overdrive, it's really trying, and it's just not keeping up. So blood sugars are running higher, so that's why you get some of these oral medications that can make the. Insulin work a little bit better, and then at some point it's worked too hard for too long and eventually it burns out.

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[00:13:39] Jenn Trepeck: And I think what's so important about what you talked about is not just the different function, right?

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[00:13:57] Ben Tzeel: very, because with one out of [00:14:00] the gate it's, you're on insulin whether you like it or not. The other one is, you don't have to be on insulin unless you, I don't wanna say allow it to progress that far, but to an extent, one could argue you allow it to progress that far.

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[00:14:38] Ben Tzeel: So basically imagine insulin as this key that allows the cell to take up glucose. So you eat food, let's just say you eat carbs. In this example, food breaks down. The carbs break down to glucose. Glucose in the blood. You need the insulin to allow the cell to take up. The glucose to use as energy. Well, if you don't have insulin, it's just gonna [00:15:00] sit there and your blood's gonna get thicker and syrupy and it's not gonna move as well.

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[00:15:17] It's just the etiology of how you get there is different. 'cause one of them, okay, you just don't have enough insulin being made in the type two world type one. There's just no insulin. If you don't put insulin into the system, there's no insulin in the system at all.

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[00:15:44] Of when we can't get these nutrients outta the blood into the cell. And then the blood is essentially, as you said, thicker, not functioning, not able to do its job. And there's a piece too, I always talk about with type two of understanding that insulin is there, we [00:16:00] are not responding to it.

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[00:16:03] Jenn Trepeck: right?

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[00:16:15] Ben Tzeel: No, you can thrive. We've seen it thousands of times with type one or type two. It's just a matter of are you willing to put in just that smidgen of effort on the nutrition, the activity, and the other lifestyle factors front to make it so your life is pretty much normal.

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[00:16:38] Jenn Trepeck: Perfect. Alright, so with that foundation and exactly what you're talking about. I wanna talk about the tools, nutrition movement, how we live our lives, well, even with a diabetes diagnosis.

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[00:18:15] Okay, Ben? A key factor for people living their best lives with type one requires, you know, nutrition, exercise, diabetes, education, all of those pieces. Where should we start? We did a little bit of the diabetes education piece already, so should we go to nutrition?

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[00:18:38] So if you don't understand it, it's gonna be a problem.

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[00:18:43] Ben Tzeel: Everything you need to know in 30 seconds. No, I'm kidding. So, God, if it was that easy, that would be amazing. In a nutshell. I mean, with nutrition, it comes down to, of course, understanding the carbs like we talked about before with the insulin, 'cause those two go hand in hand.

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[00:19:10] Your number may stay at, you know, one 30. But on the flip side, if you have a very high carb, high fat meal, your blood sugar could go high and then sit very high for hours on end. So understanding how the different macronutrients work within the blood sugar lens, but then also knowing, okay, when you're having a meal.

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[00:19:39] You can have 12, you can have 97 like. As long as you have the rest of the foundation laid, you should be good as a starting point.

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[00:20:01] Can you speak to the reality versus I think the fear mongering. I

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[00:20:16] I'm not gonna go out here and say, you can eat anything you want as long as you dose for it. Because I feel like that's a very, very a statement that's taken way outta context. Oh, you can have the giant milkshake every single day. No, don't do that. But if you do it smart and you say, okay, hey, I'm gonna have protein every time I eat.

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[00:20:49] Quite frankly, probably 90% of the people living on the planet in general.

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[00:20:54] Ben Tzeel: Yeah.

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[00:21:00] Ben Tzeel: It's a good one. So, yeah, and I, I will be the first to say I am not the best gut expert on the planet, but I can say that blood sugars and gut health and all of these things, first of all, all the sugar alcohols, sugar free, this and that, and sweeteners will wreak havoc on your gut.

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[00:21:28] But second, from my

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[00:21:31] Ben Tzeel: Exact yes. And the, what was it? Smart Sweets.

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[00:21:34] Ben Tzeel: yes. Read entertainment. Go read the Amazon reviews. Oh my God. They're a riot.

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[00:21:42] Ben Tzeel: Yes. Just don't do that. Like just, I say to people like. It was just Halloween, right? Oh, what we got?

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[00:22:05] That also can potentially impact all the, you know, hedonic pathway and the brain and the pleasure sensors. Then you want certain foods that are not gonna be as great for your blood sugar. So it becomes this massive, again, cascade. The biggest thing is from a blood sugar standpoint. Also, when your blood sugars are up and down a bunch, your gut motility slows down.

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[00:22:31] Jenn Trepeck: Perfect. And then you also mentioned potassium, and that brings up, you know, a piece of micronutrients, electrolytes, and these are important for everyone.

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[00:22:55] Ben Tzeel: I think the biggest thing, and and I always joke with people, everyone's like, Ben, why is your favorite nutrient potassium?

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[00:23:17] But most people are neglecting the fruit and veggie side, which is potassium. But they're also just not getting enough, even if they do emphasize it. So from a blood sugar standpoint, what often happens is you end up with a high blood sugar. That's already gonna throw everything in your body outta whack.

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[00:23:46] And I don't have a scientific basis. I just know that the electrolytes get thrown out. And when you get potassium in the picture, you do much better.

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[00:24:11] Okay? Let's talk about movement, because exercise and movement also play a tremendous role in bringing blood sugars back into normal ranges or healthy ranges, I should say.

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[00:24:37] So strength training and some sort of cardio movement, whether that's, you know, intervals, whether that's just walking something in combination with strength training is going to do wonders because at baseline, just having more muscle on your body means you're more insulin sensitive. In addition, one single bout of activity is going to raise your insulin sensitivity for 24 to 72 hours.

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[00:25:14] And once you're there. There are days I don't get, let's say I'm at 3000 steps and I'm used to hitting 10,000 until I get closer to my target. I'm insulin resistant all day, and then suddenly it goes right back to normal, my blood sugar, because I wasn't on top of my activity.

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[00:25:45] Mixing in that, you know, more vigorous, moderate intensity. So with you and your clients, what do you recommend as sort of how much resistance training? Yes. The walking every day to how often we [00:26:00] really wanna get that more intense cardio session.

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[00:26:10] If you told me two sessions of strength training. Ideally full body and one session of, I don't care if it's elliptical, walking, biking, whatever, at walking, you know, jogging, biking, whatever. It gets your heart rate up and that's all you start with per week. I'm totally cool with that. The goal in a perfect world and in my mind is we can get you to three to four lifts per week that are consistent, that are pretty good amount of effort, and then one heart pump in.

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[00:26:47] Jenn Trepeck: Exactly. And then to your point of muscle, right?

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[00:26:53] Ben Tzeel: yes.

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[00:26:57] Ben Tzeel: That's a very good way of putting it. And that's also part [00:27:00] of why I left PhD school because I got into a lot of fights about that topic.

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[00:27:08] Ben Tzeel: I don't know if I've actually ever shared this, but Yeah.

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[00:27:27] And I was like, I would be classified as nearly obese. And I'd like to think that at that time, and I clearly don't have the same body composition as somebody who you know would be by the standards of this study. So that's absolutely not gonna happen. And there was a lot of butting heads. My advisor was the chair of the department at the time, and a lot of butting heads.

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[00:27:55] Jenn Trepeck: Yep.

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[00:28:01] I think BMI is a crock of shit. Sorry for my

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[00:28:07] Ben Tzeel: Good. That makes me so

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[00:28:15] Ben Tzeel: you need to do it.

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[00:28:16] Ben Tzeel: please do.

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[00:28:22] Today with the technology that we have, whether it's insulin pumps and constant glucose monitors, and all the different gadgets and wearables, I wanna talk about the tools, both the ones that are super supportive and the ones that maybe are creating more stress and confusion than they're worth.

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[00:28:47] Jenn Trepeck: so where do you wanna start?

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[00:28:50] Jenn Trepeck: Awesome.

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[00:29:04] Got real old real fast to carry this thing around and went way back when I was diagnosed. Used to take a whole minute, like there was an ad ticker at the bottom of my meter talking about classes at the children's hospital. First of all, these are like eight months ago, second. This is terrible, but I digress.

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[00:29:44] It's just a convenience factor. There's algorithms that can work in conjunction with the CGM to make your life easier. Some people love 'em, some people hate 'em. They're not like a guaranteed method of success. A lot of people think the pump does everything, but it won't. It'll do like 75% of the work, but you still have to have some sort of active role.[00:30:00]

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[00:30:06] Jenn Trepeck: Awesome. I'm sorry, I digress a little bit 'cause this is more. With type two, you know, with a lot of my clients, first of all, I love a constant glucose monitor. I love that data. And the thing, I'm curious if you see this, but part of why we do what we do is to help people interpret the information that is coming at us, because simply having the numbers doesn't necessarily translate into understanding them.

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[00:30:53] Maybe it's removing something else. But it's one thing to have knowledge, but it's one thing to have knowledge and not do anything with it, and then it's just depressing. [00:31:00]

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[00:31:11] So, you know, we did a partnership with Nutrisystem. I highly recommend their interface. I think it's. One of the best that I've played with. And then the other piece with what you were talking about with pumps and even with my type two clients, especially as we're making so much progress, one of the things that I recommend them talking to their physician about is can they give you a type of insulin that we can better adjust so that we're not always pumping you full of this max dose that we can, you know, play in real time.

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[00:31:50] Ben Tzeel: right? When you're on multiple daily injections or just in this case, hey, you're on a basal insulin. You take 30 units, you've got 30 units, but with the pump, hey, the next two hours needs to go down, [00:32:00] about to be active. There you go. Now you're back up to normal.

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[00:32:08] Jenn Trepeck: And just adding to this as things pop to my mind. I also think too, we would expect to see blood sugar rise on your glucose monitor during activity.

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[00:32:22] Jenn Trepeck: Yeah. And that often freaks people out.

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[00:32:25] Oh my God, yes. I didn't know about this either for probably the first 10, 12 years. And I remember one day I was dead lifting super heavy and I went from 90 to three 70 and I was like, holy god, what just happened? And then I realized I was, did some digging. I'm like, oh yeah, you know, your liver dumps glucose and it thinks you need energy.

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[00:32:50] Jenn Trepeck: Yes. And I like to think of it too, as we want the body to respond. That's actually a fantastic sign that we are doing these things. [00:33:00] The body is responding and doing what it's supposed to do.

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[00:33:08] Ben Tzeel: And the key is just if it overshoots, right? Because obviously in certain situations when your number goes really high. It overshoots. But on the flip side, the fact it's doing its job is what we want it to be doing.

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[00:33:33] You didn't do anything. You were just sitting there.

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[00:33:44] Ben Tzeel: In terms of actual tech? Like wearable things

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[00:33:51] Ben Tzeel: I think something that not enough people know about that I wish more people did, and you could argue this as a tool, you could argue this as an insulin, but I think the [00:34:00] inhalable insulin afrezza.

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[00:34:18] So if you're ever got stubborn high blood sugar. Very helpful to help your blood sugar come down. And then the simi, the glucagon, everyone thinks, oh, glucagon, God forbid you have a seizure. Someone needs to, you know, open up this kit and mix this stuff. And that's scary. Well, this is, hey, you're still, you know, functional.

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[00:34:47] Jenn Trepeck: Awesome. And then you brought up this idea of the people around us who are supporting the person with Type one diabetes. And so what do you think it's important for [00:35:00] the supporters? And the allies to know and understand about, you know, working with the person diagnosed with diabetes, or even the technology that, you know, the person with diabetes is using.

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[00:35:33] Hey, if my number's doing blank and I'm not doing well, not a dangerous situation, but just my blood sugar is super high, I'm super low, you know, this is what I want you to do. I'm being very transparent and very clear so they know, Hey, this is my role. I'm not gonna overstep, I'm not gonna nag, but this is what I know to do.

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[00:36:00] Jenn Trepeck: Yeah. And will you give a couple of examples of what might that look like?

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[00:36:19] But same time, right? She still understands that there's times where my blood sugar goes high. And I don't want to be around anybody. And so she knows, hey, if my number's high not to let me be, but you know, hey, if I haven't hydrated, maybe she'll come through with some water, but she knows, Hey, I've corrected, you know, kinda let me do my thing and I'll be fine.

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[00:36:52] I already took my glucose, I'm fine. So having that understanding is I think really important. I know the episodes I've done with her on my own podcast of what it's like to date and [00:37:00] you know, being married, those always do well. 'cause people are just intrigued to know the other side. Yeah.

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[00:37:06] Like, you know, when did you guys have that conversation? I assume early on, because it's part of what you both do.

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[00:37:30] It was awesome. And then fortunately within I would say about a month-ish, we had like. We knew it was gonna probably be serious, and so we had the legit talk, but also hilariously, and she brings it up and I actually don't let her live it down. She pulled out like five of my pump sites, like in the first month of dating, just from like, oh, hey, it's so good to see you.

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[00:37:54] Jenn Trepeck: So let's talk about that because I think part of, you know, removing this stigma is helping people really [00:38:00] understand. So somebody has a pump. What do we need to know about hugging them?

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[00:38:13] Ben Tzeel: I mean, I think the most common thing is always, oh, is that a pager? Because I mean, look at it like you look at it, you don't know. Like it could be a pager, I guess, except for the wire attached to me.

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[00:38:21] Jenn Trepeck: So for everybody, our members can see it on video, but for everybody listening, it does. It looks like, you know, an old school pager with a clip,

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[00:38:34] Like obviously it happened that she just happened to snag her arm on the tubing, which happens on doorknobs and happens, you know, in regular life anywhere. Oh no. It just, you know, my pump fell, fell off the table and it rips out of me. Like it happens, it's fine. But the biggest thing is just recognizing if there's a pump.

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[00:39:04] If you're curious, if you even care. And I don't think it's really a big deal for most people. Like when I was a kid, people asked about it way more often than people do now. Nobody cares now.

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[00:39:21] Everybody knows how to navigate the menu for themselves.

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[00:39:36] Jenn Trepeck: Got

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[00:39:57] So yeah, it can absolutely be done,

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[00:40:13] Ben Tzeel: And I think the biggest thing is if, whether you're a partner, whether you're a friend, you know, someone you know, has it, just ask them how they want to be supported.

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[00:40:31] There's couples I know that don't want to share. Because they're like, oh, well if Jimmy's out, you know, west or whatever, I can't do anything. Why do I need to know what his blood sugar is? So it's just a conversation that's personal to everyone. You just have to have that conversation with whoever you would be close enough to, to either review your blood sugars or you know, whatever situation you wanna have with parents and kids.

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[00:40:51] Jenn Trepeck: For sure, for sure. But having those conversations is, again, part of removing the stigma, better understanding and having those relationships For sure. [00:41:00]

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[00:41:06] We'll leave it at that, right? Like it'll absolutely impact that if your number's not in range, so like you have to be aware of it. Your partner should probably be aware of it as well, so.

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[00:41:16] Ben Tzeel: Yeah, I can, I can leave it there. I can dive in. It's completely right. I dunno. Family friendly, the shows,

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[00:41:20] Well, you know, I marked them all explicit because I have a potty mouth, but we have so many, we have heart health episodes that go back every February. We have heart health episodes that speak to exactly what we're talking about. You know, that blood sugar balance, metabolic health is all connected.

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[00:41:38] And it's every single aspect of life with diabetes because the blood sugars are everywhere will be impacted. That's why everyone's like, oh, you know, vision or you know, nerve endings or kidneys, but like everything is impacted.

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[00:41:50] Ben Tzeel: There's more motivation to have better blood sugars.

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[00:41:54] Ben Tzeel: No, not at all. Just stay in range and everyone's like, oh, if your A1C is under seven, you're fine. I'm like, yes. If your [00:42:00] A1C is under seven and you're not ping ponging every five seconds, you're probably fine. So yeah,

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[00:42:07] Ben Tzeel: do.

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[00:42:13] Ben Tzeel: Oh, there's so many. I mean, we could be here for like five hours masterclass on everything, but I feel like we've hit the majority of it. A lot of it is just have the fundamentals down pat and then realize, okay, once you can do that, that's 80 to 85% of the equation. If you have a care team that does, well take advantage of that.

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[00:42:37] Jenn Trepeck: A thousand percent. All right. Our rapid fire off topic questions. First one, what's the best thing you've done for your health this week?

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[00:42:51] Ben Tzeel: Ooh, this is such a good question. The best thing, and we're just talking the last seven days only. I know the naughtiest thing I've done all right has been my sleep has not been on point the [00:43:00] way that it should.

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[00:43:20] Jenn Trepeck: Nice. If you weren't the founder of your Diabetes Insider, what would you do?

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[00:43:43] But it just, it may or may not be diabetes related.

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[00:43:52] Ben Tzeel: Favorite book of all time, man. And it can't be a, well, I guess it could be a business book too. Mm-hmm. I really like 48 laws of [00:44:00] power, just 'cause I like all the history stuff in there.

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[00:44:07] Jenn Trepeck: No, I like it. I'm with you. If you could cure one ailment disease or sickness, what would it be?

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[00:44:16] Maybe it would be heart disease. No, I'm just kidding. I mean, obviously both diabetes for that matter. Yep. Put it all there.

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[00:44:26] Ben Tzeel: don't know. I'm like, these are so hard.

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[00:44:32] Ben Tzeel: Instinct of all time would probably be super strength.

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[00:44:38] Ben Tzeel: when people say ex Xavier, when it's instead of Xavier, like you don't say ex xylophone. You say Xlophone.

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[00:44:53] Ben Tzeel: mean, I hate to be the cliche person, but AI integration into how it can make life that much easier and ideally [00:45:00] with, you know, the different algorithms, everything else, how you can really biohack everything.

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[00:45:12] Ben Tzeel: So for social media, got lots of entertainment, but also lots of knowledge drops at Man of Zeal, M-A-N-O-F-T-Z-E-E-L. I may change it to at your Diabetes Insider just to be consistent. So stay on the lookout if you can't find it.

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[00:45:35] Jenn Trepeck: Excellent. We'll put links to everything in the episode notes, so also if you change your social, we'll update that.

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[00:45:40] Ben Tzeel: Amazing. Thank you.

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[00:45:48] Ben Tzeel: I'm just grateful that we got to have this conversation. I had a lot of fun.

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[00:46:00] Right? So it's a bit of a hint. It's capacity versus capability. So what does this have to do with all your health efforts? That's exactly what we're gonna talk about on Friday in this week's bite-sized bonus episodes. So be sure wherever you're listening, click a plus sign or the follow button, and then your app will alert you when the nutrition nugget goes live on Friday morning.

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[00:46:40] This is also the easiest way to learn more about working with me as your health coach. Ben Zeal, thank you again for joining us.

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[00:46:49] Jenn Trepeck: Absolutely. And friends, if you are not already join us in the Happy Healthy Hub, you'll go to a salad with the side of fries.com/membership.

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[00:47:16] It comes down to quality education, helpful tools, and encouraging support to live your best life. Well, friends, that's it for today's episode of Salad with a Side of Fries. Congratulations for making yourself and your health a priority. Thanks so much for joining us. Be sure to click subscribe or follow on your favorite podcast platform.

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